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« on: March 24, 2006, 03:58:29 am »

I just got a copy of "The Devils Picture Book" DVD by Derren Brown. Would you fine GMG folks like me to review it? For those of you in the UK you might already have this DVD but for those of us in the USA I think some things need to be said. I'm asking this because I've read BOTH his books ("Pure Effect" and "Absolute Magic") and I  think he is great.

I may be wrong here but I think he is the American version of Criss Angel (being that they're the only 2 magicians that host their own TV shows about magic. Penn & Tellers "BULL crap" excluded) but... I say this with trepidation because I don't want to hurt any feelings Derren Brown is... BETTER. Only because (IMHO) he is more magical.

Let me be clear:

Criss Angel is- ROCK & ROLL!!! LOOK AT ME NOT WEAR A SHIRT!!! I CAN LIFT A CAR AND WALK UP A WALL!!! WITH NO SHIRT!!!!

Derren Brown is- I can tell what you're thinking. I can tell you're lying to me. I want you to think of a card. It's the King of spades isn't it?

Just to be fair Criss Angel is a magician looking for a rock band and Derren Brown is a Mentalist creating a magical aura.

Any opinions? Do you folks want a review of "The Devils Picture Book"?
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2006, 06:53:47 am »

Yes a review would be great!
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2006, 11:48:16 am »

I just got this myself; haven't had a chance to watch it yet.  So yes, review, please!
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2006, 05:34:38 pm »

Will do.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2006, 06:27:11 am »

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I may be wrong here but I think he is the American version of Criss Angel but... I say this with trepidation because I don't want to hurt any feelings Derren Brown is... BETTER. Only because (IMHO) he is more magical.

Let me be clear:

Criss Angel is- ROCK & ROLL!!! LOOK AT ME NOT WEAR A SHIRT!!! I CAN LIFT A CAR AND WALK UP A WALL!!! WITH NO SHIRT!!!!

Derren Brown is- I can tell what you're thinking. I can tell you're lying to me. I want you to think of a card. It's the King of spades isn't it?

Just to be fair Criss Angel is a magician looking for a rock band and Derren Brown is a Mentalist creating a magical aura.

Any opinions? Do you folks want a review of "The Devils Picture Book"?


I'm not sure whether you know, but Derren Brown is English, so I'm not sure what you mean about him being "the American version of Criss Angel"

Also, Criss *did* have a music career, had some degree of success with it too.

If you don't like Criss - why the hell bring him up in a question asking whether or not we want to see a review of a product by an entirely different and unrelated magician?!?

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2006, 07:25:10 am »

Derren is class. I've met him a few times, and im actually quite friendly with his producer + best friend (and magical advisor) Anthony Owen.

In fact, hes on TV tonight, his new series is starting. This episode, he makes the Sun disappear and then tells you how he does it.

In fact, Derren and Anthony are not in the magic circle. Anthony Owen used to be a gold star memeber, but was booted from it when he thought that the rules should be updated, and perhaps magicians should reveal secrets if the secret is more interesting than the effect.

Anyway, The Devils Picturebook is quite a cool video. I have some unanswered questions about it, like in the oil and water, what do you do when someone chooses 4 from one and 1 from the other (if you have the vid, you will know what I mean.)

It is a great video in my opinion, and i still use many of the effects in my routines, and people love them. I have developed some and made them my own, and they work VERY well.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2006, 02:51:39 pm »

Calm down Brendon. Desparation is a waste of time.

I only compared him to Criss Angel because they both have shows on television that are magic oriented. The comparison ends there. But, I bet at some time in Mr. Browns past he has done an effect with his shirt off.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2006, 03:29:07 pm »

Marc,

When that happens I pick the cards up as I normally would. I then do a modified Hamman count. Then put the cards on the table face down one at a time just as you do to end the first phase starting with the odd card dealing from the back. Do the same with the next color and all should be good except for that ONE card that you laid face down FIRST. So you have to gather the cards like you did at the end of the first phase leaving the odd one on the table. I then ask the spectator to choose again because as it stands now the cards are separated and that isn't as good an ending as having them appear mixed up again when you have just shown them to magically gather themselves together. Hopefully, the spectator WON"T choose 4 from one side and 1 from the other a second time.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2006, 03:59:54 pm »

Haha, i was going to say, what if they do the same again Cheesy.

Nice idea though. It does extend it a bit, but yes, 9/10 times they choose 3 from one and 2 from the other. Im glad its not just me whos had people choose 4 from one and 1 from the other though Smiley.

How good does that feel when people try to be cocky and put all 5 from one side forwards. I had that the other day, and i downplayed it a bit, going: "errr, well ill let you change your mind", acting all unsure. (How bad would it be at that point, if they take one back and switch it for one from the other half? You're back at the 4/1 stage again!)

Anyway, it is a great trick, and thanks for the idea about what you do, that does help, and i will look into it and perhaps develop an idea as to what i could do there.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 02:29:57 am »

What kind of effects are we talking about here?
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 06:48:51 am »

It's an oil and water effect. A classic in card magic.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 08:08:57 am »

It's a great DVD.  He has an excellent routine with the MindPower deck.  It's actually the thing that brought it out of my closet.  However, his thinking into this can be brought over into other routines.

His card to rose petals is a very nice effect.  Not too practical, but great for the right moment.

He also does a smoking effect with the cig turning into their selection.  Again, a great effect.

As said his oil and water is good, I just do Levand's so I don't really need two, but it is a good effect as well.

Be sure to watch him make fun of Guy Hollingsworth on the end of the DVD, this was one of the funniest things I'd seen in a long time.  Anyhow, this is a great DVD, I watched it some time ago, and these were off the top of my head.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2006, 04:31:08 am »

Hello gomagicgo listeners I’m Mulkey in Brooklyn NY and I’m reviewing Derren Browns DVD: THE DEVILS PICTURE BOOK. For you American listeners there is a bit of Derren Brown 101 you need to know but to be brief I usually tell magicians that aren’t familiar with Derren Brown that he is the UK version of Criss Angel. By that I mean they both have magic oriented television series. The comparison stops there. I mean it REALLY stops there.

The Devils Picture Book is available from Derren Browns website which is www.Derrenbrown.com.uk  It costs 40 Lbs sterling which is $60-ish American dollars and after shipping and handling tops off to about $70 to $75-ish dollars. Which, is expensive but what do you expect there is an entire OCEAN in the way and in my opinion the price is well worth it.

The 2-disc set instead of being labeled Disc 1 and Disc 2 is divided into a Disc entitled Conjuring and the other called Psychological Effects. The total combined running time of the set tops out at 3 PLUS enjoyable hours divided into performance and explanation segments in the menu so if you want you can show your non- magical friends the performance and not give away the secrets.

The first disc, Conjuring, is devoted to card effects and let me tell you it is very evident that Mr. Brown picked up a deck of cards in his youth and said "Oh, Yes. I remember these from the WOMB." Okay, he doesn't actually SAY that. He credits Lennert Green, Tom Mullica and Dai Vernon as well as others for his inspirations.

He starts off the Conjuring disc with a 3-card routine that is as fluid as it is skillful. It is PURE sleight of hand and incidentally it is described in his book “Pure Effect”. But the reading of “3 Card” routine from “Pure Effect doesn’t do tribute seeing the creator in performance. I’m not going to describe it here because even Mr. Brown calls it a MARATHON card trick. The moves are masterful and not for the beginner and the explanation on the DVD times out at 27 minutes long which may give you an idea of the length of the trick.

The next effect on the DVD is a sleight called “Mikes Move” which I have found useful in my own conjuring. It’s a deceptive card relocation of placing a card in the middle and moving it to the bottom of the pack under the guise of squaring up the deck. It is so simple and logical I sit in that it hasn’t shown up in print decades ago.

The next effects are “Card Under Box” and “Oil and Water” and it is here where we start to realize --and what I’m going to say next is a better reason to buy the DVD more than any others you may read in this review. You start to start to get a sense of his professionally ingrained skill of misdirection and audience management. As he describes the set ups, get readies, sleights and routining, he also includes instructions for how to conduct the audiences attention using verbal as well as physical misdirection and the creating and releasing of tension and focus by the magician and the spectator.

To me this alone makes the DVD worth the price. Many magic DVDs have a magician alone talking to a camera that shows you moves and you copy them. Mr. Brown in the explanation segments teaches the moves to friend and fellow magician Peter Clifford. So as we watch he explains to Mr. Clifford how “You relax here” and “you create tension on this card” etc. As a quick example there is a point in the “Oil and Water” routine where you hold 5 cards in your hand 3 black and 2 red and you are presenting all of them as black dealt to the table one at a time. And 5 black cards are what the audience will see through his crafty misdirection.

The next 2 effects are “Zamiels Rose” and “Smoke” both of which are also in his book “Pure Effect”. “Zamiels Rose” is a small step (more of a toe dip actually) into the waters of bizarre magic in that it is based around a childhood memory. The effect is like WATCHING a poem and you can see he has concerned himself with making it as pretty and elegant as possible. But “Smoke” being the last effect on the Conjuring DVD is where a transition from conjuring to mind reading begins.

In the effect “Smoke” a spectator thinks of a card in a spread of cards. Mr. Brown lights a cigarette and divines the card correctly. He then says the funny thing is you card isn’t even in the deck. He spreads the deck and then coughs a bit and the cigarette is seen as transformed into the spectators mentally selected card. The effect is stunning and powerful. Trying to put this effect together here in America might be a challenge because as part of the set up Mr. Brown uses the box of a 1/2 pack of cigarettes which is a 10 pack available in the UK but not in the US.

So to sum up the CONJURING disc of "The Devils Picture Book"- This is not for the beginner. If you want to purchase it just to see what you can aspire to then get it. But to perform these effects you need a thorough or at least rudimentary knowledge of a card spring, charlier cut, double lift, Elmsley count, lapping, palming, pass, short card, snap change, top change, toppit. The list is a quote from the review of this product by Ken Taylor from the ellusionist product review page.

The material on the 2nd disc "Psychological Effects" is an example of some of the craftiest thinking in magic. Advanced equivoque and psychological forces make Mr. Browns magic appear as if it were real.

The first 3 effects "Out of the World", "Double Think" and "Extreme Mental Effort" use cards in a more or less conventional way to accomplish mental feats but the effects are not conventional. His handling of OOTW is not one the normal pile-making card counting versions you may be familiar with. Older versions of OOTW (In my mind) just seemed to take FOREVER with the spectator chanting "RED, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK" etc. Mr. Brown’s version allows you to start off with a shuffled deck. The spectator is then allowed to shuffle. Yep. I said it. The spectator shuffles. The cards are then ribbon spread and the spectator makes 2 piles using their intuition. They make one pile of red cards and the other black while looking only at the backs of the cards. When done, the spectator is asked if they would like to change their minds about any of the cards …and they can. And of course it being OOTW the effect is the same and spectator touched ALL the cards themselves and of course their mind is blown. It's a much-streamlined version of a classic of card magic.

"Double Think" is a nice mental effect wherein one of the spectators selects a card and a second spectator merely thinks of one. 2 cards are laid on the table and they are both correct. The sleights are wickedly simple in theory yet will be difficult for beginners and the psychological misdirection applied to the patter is genius.

"Extreme Mental Effort" is of the same vein. Wickedly simple and very deceptive. One spectator chooses a card and it is mixed into the deck. A 2nd spectator starts dealing the cards face down onto the table. Mr. Brown starts reading the mind of the spectator that made the selection and just before he reveals the name of the psychically divined card he tells the spectator that is dealing to stop. He then says the name of the card to the person that made the selection and he is correct he then turns over the card on the table and it is correct. I think I actually said "NO FREAKIN' WAY." when I first saw this in presentation and during the explanation I said, "NO FREAKIN WAY!!” The performance of the magician makes the effect. The working is so simple it becomes bold and the story he tells in the instruction portion is interesting in how he went about achieving the end result.

The next 3 effects "Invisible Deal", "Invisible Deal Force" and "Mental Force" are all mental in nature. They use cards and card imagery as tools but to do these effects you don't actually even need a deck. You could just write the name of the card on a napkin or a business card and reveal them at the end of the effect. The "Invisible Deal" and "Invisible Deal Force" both make use of what I call advanced equivoque. The thinking behind the effects reminds me of some of Kenton Kneppers stuff. It's a very skilful and quietly complex series of verbal instructions that produce a desired effect. In the DVD he either verbally produces the spectators card from an invisible deck (not an Invisible Deck gimmick but one that is really NOT THERE) or he forces the spectator to name a card that has been placed on the table and has been in plain view the entire time. All is done verbally. No sleight of hand.

The mental forces are very specific. In the DVD he forces the J of S, the 3 or 4 of C and the 4 of H. Now, these aren't %100 accurate so there is a good deal of chance to the process but if you hit you hit really, really big. In watching the explanations (especially the mental forces) I couldn't help but wonder about the entire process of trial and error for concocting the proper sentences with the proper gestures to get the instructions across just to get the participant to name the card much less do it subtly enough so as not to be detected that you're telling the spectator what card they should choose. For that is what you are doing -- you are telling them what card they should select mentally. Brilliant is the only word for these effects and the mind that created them.

The video quality while done on the cheap only using one camera is not the highest. However, the single cameraman knows his stuff and you don't miss anything. The location of the recording of the DVD is the interior of Mr. Browns home, which adds a sense of intimacy to the DVD that gives it a warmer feel than most magic instructional DVDs.  It also allows us a glimpse of Mr. Browns sense of humor. The end credits are a chuckle and after the credits Mr. Brown has included a little something extra that is very funny. Uhmmm...odd...but very funny.

The final word on the Devils Picture Book- Buy it. You will not be disappointed. The postscript for this review: I am sad. This is all material he will never do again. Ever. Mr. Browns DVD was born out of the fact that he is no longer doing this type of magic any longer. To quote the Genii Magazine interview with Jamy Ian Swiss, Derren Brown says this DVD is “his way of saying goodbye to all of this material”. And as a final note I have culled a quote from “Magicweek online” that states "Thank the Lord for video, or we might have no record of what Derren [Brown] did when he was still 'just' a magician."

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2006, 08:38:48 am »

I also love this dvd, every routine in it is extremely well constructed, unbelievably well performed, and just plain fantastic.

The only effect from the dvd I perform often is smoke, and when I can get it down fluidly, and feel confident about the misdirection/sleights, I will definately perform card under box and zamiel's rose.

I also use a mental force in my routine now, which I wasn't confident about putting in until I saw derren perform and explain it in this DVD (Alongside my brainwave deck of course Tongue)

In my opinion, this dvd was worth every single penny, and is by far in my opinion the pinacle of my DVD collection. This is one dvd I know I will refer to however good I get at magic.

In summary : Pick this up now, I guarantee you won't regret it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 01:14:54 am »

I agree...this is the best magic related film I have ever seen.  This movie changed the way I view magic.  It greatly expanded my idea of what was possible.  This DVD transcends the effects that are on it, and teaches you more about magic then you realize.  If you have this DVD put it in and watch it again right now...think for a bit...and then watch it again.



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